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doyleI got very turned off by Big Bang Theory because it seemed to have an excess of Nice-Guy-ism. Am I oversensitive?
I’m so glad someone asked this, because it’s exactly what almost put me off the show after the first two episodes – I’m glad I stuck with it (or rather, that I skipped to season 2 and came back to season 1 afterwards) because I love it, but Leonard is such a textbook Nice Guy ™ in the first few episodes that I could barely watch. Insisting on doing ‘favours’ for Penny not because it’s a nice thing to do but because she might have sex with him (and, naturally, being petulant when she doesn’t); getting her on a date under false pretences rather than asking her outright, then denying it and making her feel stupid when she asks if that’s what he’s doing; declaring his intention to stop seeing her altogether when he decides he’s got no chance of having sex with her; eventually openly hitting on her only when she’s good and vulnerable and crying on his shoulder having only just broken up with someone. Which would all be fine if he wasn’t, y’know, meant to be the sympathetic lead. It took a good dozen episodes for me to upgrade him from “repellent” to “bearable” to an eventual “likeable” (it helps that he has a couple of normal relationships and eventually interacts with Penny in a way that seems to be ‘genuinely likes her and enjoys her company’ rather than ‘has no interest in her as a person, will drop her like a rock if he ever gives up hope of a shag’). The good news is that even though he’s ostensibly the lead it’s possible to ignore him completely and watch the show where Sheldon and Penny have a hilariously snarky antagonism (and weird UST despite his asexuality and her antipathy), and Sheldon’s friends make nerdy jokes.
Have you seen the latest S8 comic (Kennedy and Satsu)? If so what do you think.
No, not yet! It sounds like a setup dreamed up just for me, though, so I hope it's good.
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marymac asked (to paraphrase, as she asked in person) So, you were firmly on the Ray V side of the Ray wars; how do you feel about Ray K now?
I will grudgingly admit that Ray K is hot, funny and awesomely slashtastic with Fraser (and in the episode we're watching right now, a woobirific little angst-puppy). I want a screencap of that bit with them holding hands. And Lilah was in an episode!
...so, yeah, I'll take Fraser/RayK recs if you got em. Had to happen some time.
Have you read/seen Twilight?
I've read the first one, which was just awful on every level, almost physically painful to get through; no desire to read the rest. I liked the film, though.
Any general fannish pet peeves? Or pet peeves for DW fandom in particular?
Fandom Pet Peeves (general)
(i) A fandom fixating on one character (or ship, or aspect of the canon) to the near-exclusion of everything else. I don’t mean on character or ship specific comms; you expect a House/Wilson comm to respond to every spoiler with “but what does this mean for House/Wilson?” and every interview with “let’s minutely dissect what this says about House/Wilson”, but if it’s a general comm, and that’s all people are talking about regardless of topic, with every discussion devolving into a “H/W roolz!”/”no, H/W sucks!”/”NO U!” flamewar… it gets old. Particularly annoying when it’s a mostly negative obsession with a character who has far more haters than fans, so that a trailer featuring a single line from Thirteen will get a million tl;dr whines about how Everything Is About Thirteen when nobody had even mentioned her. None of this is passive-aggressively referencing Who fandom's Rose and Rose-vs-Martha obsession, by the way, annoying as that ongoing war is - they're both far more liked than disliked, despite the neverending wank, and since Donna's tenure there's been an increase in the diversity of stuff. Which is nice.
Torchwood fandom is all about the Jack/Ianto, but I don’t mind so much because I’m not that deeply invested in Torchwood and I am largely in it for the Jack/Ianto (and Gwen/Rhys). If Tosh/Owen had been the fixation-point I would have bailed on the fandom long ago, falling as it does under the category of ‘tedious series-spanning will-they-won’t-they ship teases’, which I almost always hate (see also: Mal/Inara and Simon/Kaylee on Firefly, JD/Elliot on Scrubs, almost every canon ship on Star Trek; in the rare cases that I enjoy, the show goes severely downhill for me right after they get together, like Lois/Clark on L&C or Niles/Daphne on Frasier). Buffy fandom was easily the worst for this – I remember threads on Giles or Xander/Anya that would descend into being all about Spike (even if it’s bashing, it’s still obsessing over Spike to the exclusion of the actual topic), and even when he was my favourite character, love of god, people, variety is nice.
(i-a) A corollary to the above, the barbed-wire-around-the-sandbox approach to fandom: making spaces for bits of fandom outside the overwhelming character, ship or genre? Awesome. I love when people do that because like I say, variety… oh, your userinfo or signup post phrases it like a crusade, whines about how that popular thing is stupid and lame, congratulates the people involved for being smarter and better than those fans and in general makes it look more anti-popular thing than pro-everything else? Do you not get fannish overlap?
(ii) The whole concept of “A is B’s one and eternal love” when in canon they seemed to very much love C, D, and E, especially when it gets to the extent of “in fact, even though they’ve had canon relationships they had never had sex/had an orgasm before this person”.
(ii) The usual petty grievances: fic writers making technical errors you’d think were poor from a primary school child, let alone an adult. Character-bashing or soapboxing in fic. People who don’t learn how to LJ-cut before they post fic. “Fake cut!” when it isn’t, it’s a standard link.
Fandom Pet Peeves (Doctor Who universe)
(i) The ongoing inability to distinguish between "I don't really ship Rose with Ten" and "I hate Rose and everything she stands for". So far I've been unable to ship Ten with any of his companions (Ten/minor characters, on the other hand? Oh yes); doesn't mean I dislike them, just that the romantic relationship doesn't work for me. Also pairing Ten up with Rose, Martha or Jack in anything that doesn't start in the middle of canon and go AU is a problem for me, since as of Journey's End they're all in relationships that I like a lot (...okay, it's not actually canon that Rose and Handy hooked up to have hilarious sexy Earthbound misadventures in the zeppelinverse, but assuming that's so.)
(ii) Fans projecting their own likes, dislikes or master plan for running the show onto the actors or writers as if it’s actual truth; extrapolating gossip from something one of them’s said is one thing (“Barrowman didn’t get on with Eccleston” may or may not be true but at least has a traceable origin in something JB said) but making stuff up that’s the exact opposite of what they’ve said publically (David Tennant hated Freema! Moffat and his manly straightness will save us from the evil Gay Agenda!) is straight into fashioning a stylish hat from tinfoil territory.
(iii) “Donna would have rather died than go back to who she was before she met the Doctor, and he should have let her.” Argh, argh, argh. Apart from the dismissal of ordinary life – the thing the series is meant to be championing, the oft-quoted ‘one adventure the Doctor can never have’ – as not only worthless but a fate worse than death, the best analogy I’ve seen to this is someone trapped beneath a burning car: yeah, I’d be yelling at the paramedic not to amputate my legs, but that doesn’t mean the moral course would be for him to go “well, it’s your call” and stand back to watch as I burn to death. “She’d be better off dead!” made me angry when it was Rose and still does with Donna, mostly because ubergenius superpowered half-Time Lord DoctorDonna isn’t Donna, to me (seen the Voyager episode where Tuvok and Neelix combine, and the resultant person is neither Tuvok or Neelix but a new, distinct entity called Tuvix with the memories of both? That.) and even with no metacrisis I wouldn’t have wanted her to stay that way. That being said, it’s a contrived plot that only exists to heap more angst on the Doctor and I’d happily do away with the whole thing (like a lot of Journey’s End, apart from the multi-companion TARDIS, because that made me crazy-happy.)
(iv) The word ‘cariad’ in Jack/Ianto fics. Actually, people speaking Welsh at all in fic by non-Welsh speakers based on a canon where no-one, to my recollection, has ever uttered a word of the language, not because it’d be in character for that person to speak in Welsh at that moment but because it’s exotic and romantic and mysterious (I do have a deep love for the fic where Ianto, asked to say something in Welsh, says “my hovercraft is full of eels”). Also, in fics where it does come up, Jack not understanding a word of Welsh despite having lived in Wales for fives times as long as Ianto or Gwen have been alive.
(v) People trying to American-pick Jack’s dialogue even after it’s been pointed out to them that he’s not, in fact, American, and has some un-American-sounding dialogue in canon.
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I’m so glad someone asked this, because it’s exactly what almost put me off the show after the first two episodes – I’m glad I stuck with it (or rather, that I skipped to season 2 and came back to season 1 afterwards) because I love it, but Leonard is such a textbook Nice Guy ™ in the first few episodes that I could barely watch. Insisting on doing ‘favours’ for Penny not because it’s a nice thing to do but because she might have sex with him (and, naturally, being petulant when she doesn’t); getting her on a date under false pretences rather than asking her outright, then denying it and making her feel stupid when she asks if that’s what he’s doing; declaring his intention to stop seeing her altogether when he decides he’s got no chance of having sex with her; eventually openly hitting on her only when she’s good and vulnerable and crying on his shoulder having only just broken up with someone. Which would all be fine if he wasn’t, y’know, meant to be the sympathetic lead. It took a good dozen episodes for me to upgrade him from “repellent” to “bearable” to an eventual “likeable” (it helps that he has a couple of normal relationships and eventually interacts with Penny in a way that seems to be ‘genuinely likes her and enjoys her company’ rather than ‘has no interest in her as a person, will drop her like a rock if he ever gives up hope of a shag’). The good news is that even though he’s ostensibly the lead it’s possible to ignore him completely and watch the show where Sheldon and Penny have a hilariously snarky antagonism (and weird UST despite his asexuality and her antipathy), and Sheldon’s friends make nerdy jokes.
Have you seen the latest S8 comic (Kennedy and Satsu)? If so what do you think.
No, not yet! It sounds like a setup dreamed up just for me, though, so I hope it's good.
Housemates don't get anon rights, especially when they're being smug, so
marymac asked (to paraphrase, as she asked in person) So, you were firmly on the Ray V side of the Ray wars; how do you feel about Ray K now?I will grudgingly admit that Ray K is hot, funny and awesomely slashtastic with Fraser (and in the episode we're watching right now, a woobirific little angst-puppy). I want a screencap of that bit with them holding hands. And Lilah was in an episode!
...so, yeah, I'll take Fraser/RayK recs if you got em. Had to happen some time.
Have you read/seen Twilight?
I've read the first one, which was just awful on every level, almost physically painful to get through; no desire to read the rest. I liked the film, though.
Any general fannish pet peeves? Or pet peeves for DW fandom in particular?
Fandom Pet Peeves (general)
(i) A fandom fixating on one character (or ship, or aspect of the canon) to the near-exclusion of everything else. I don’t mean on character or ship specific comms; you expect a House/Wilson comm to respond to every spoiler with “but what does this mean for House/Wilson?” and every interview with “let’s minutely dissect what this says about House/Wilson”, but if it’s a general comm, and that’s all people are talking about regardless of topic, with every discussion devolving into a “H/W roolz!”/”no, H/W sucks!”/”NO U!” flamewar… it gets old. Particularly annoying when it’s a mostly negative obsession with a character who has far more haters than fans, so that a trailer featuring a single line from Thirteen will get a million tl;dr whines about how Everything Is About Thirteen when nobody had even mentioned her. None of this is passive-aggressively referencing Who fandom's Rose and Rose-vs-Martha obsession, by the way, annoying as that ongoing war is - they're both far more liked than disliked, despite the neverending wank, and since Donna's tenure there's been an increase in the diversity of stuff. Which is nice.
Torchwood fandom is all about the Jack/Ianto, but I don’t mind so much because I’m not that deeply invested in Torchwood and I am largely in it for the Jack/Ianto (and Gwen/Rhys). If Tosh/Owen had been the fixation-point I would have bailed on the fandom long ago, falling as it does under the category of ‘tedious series-spanning will-they-won’t-they ship teases’, which I almost always hate (see also: Mal/Inara and Simon/Kaylee on Firefly, JD/Elliot on Scrubs, almost every canon ship on Star Trek; in the rare cases that I enjoy, the show goes severely downhill for me right after they get together, like Lois/Clark on L&C or Niles/Daphne on Frasier). Buffy fandom was easily the worst for this – I remember threads on Giles or Xander/Anya that would descend into being all about Spike (even if it’s bashing, it’s still obsessing over Spike to the exclusion of the actual topic), and even when he was my favourite character, love of god, people, variety is nice.
(i-a) A corollary to the above, the barbed-wire-around-the-sandbox approach to fandom: making spaces for bits of fandom outside the overwhelming character, ship or genre? Awesome. I love when people do that because like I say, variety… oh, your userinfo or signup post phrases it like a crusade, whines about how that popular thing is stupid and lame, congratulates the people involved for being smarter and better than those fans and in general makes it look more anti-popular thing than pro-everything else? Do you not get fannish overlap?
(ii) The whole concept of “A is B’s one and eternal love” when in canon they seemed to very much love C, D, and E, especially when it gets to the extent of “in fact, even though they’ve had canon relationships they had never had sex/had an orgasm before this person”.
(ii) The usual petty grievances: fic writers making technical errors you’d think were poor from a primary school child, let alone an adult. Character-bashing or soapboxing in fic. People who don’t learn how to LJ-cut before they post fic. “Fake cut!” when it isn’t, it’s a standard link.
Fandom Pet Peeves (Doctor Who universe)
(i) The ongoing inability to distinguish between "I don't really ship Rose with Ten" and "I hate Rose and everything she stands for". So far I've been unable to ship Ten with any of his companions (Ten/minor characters, on the other hand? Oh yes); doesn't mean I dislike them, just that the romantic relationship doesn't work for me. Also pairing Ten up with Rose, Martha or Jack in anything that doesn't start in the middle of canon and go AU is a problem for me, since as of Journey's End they're all in relationships that I like a lot (...okay, it's not actually canon that Rose and Handy hooked up to have hilarious sexy Earthbound misadventures in the zeppelinverse, but assuming that's so.)
(ii) Fans projecting their own likes, dislikes or master plan for running the show onto the actors or writers as if it’s actual truth; extrapolating gossip from something one of them’s said is one thing (“Barrowman didn’t get on with Eccleston” may or may not be true but at least has a traceable origin in something JB said) but making stuff up that’s the exact opposite of what they’ve said publically (David Tennant hated Freema! Moffat and his manly straightness will save us from the evil Gay Agenda!) is straight into fashioning a stylish hat from tinfoil territory.
(iii) “Donna would have rather died than go back to who she was before she met the Doctor, and he should have let her.” Argh, argh, argh. Apart from the dismissal of ordinary life – the thing the series is meant to be championing, the oft-quoted ‘one adventure the Doctor can never have’ – as not only worthless but a fate worse than death, the best analogy I’ve seen to this is someone trapped beneath a burning car: yeah, I’d be yelling at the paramedic not to amputate my legs, but that doesn’t mean the moral course would be for him to go “well, it’s your call” and stand back to watch as I burn to death. “She’d be better off dead!” made me angry when it was Rose and still does with Donna, mostly because ubergenius superpowered half-Time Lord DoctorDonna isn’t Donna, to me (seen the Voyager episode where Tuvok and Neelix combine, and the resultant person is neither Tuvok or Neelix but a new, distinct entity called Tuvix with the memories of both? That.) and even with no metacrisis I wouldn’t have wanted her to stay that way. That being said, it’s a contrived plot that only exists to heap more angst on the Doctor and I’d happily do away with the whole thing (like a lot of Journey’s End, apart from the multi-companion TARDIS, because that made me crazy-happy.)
(iv) The word ‘cariad’ in Jack/Ianto fics. Actually, people speaking Welsh at all in fic by non-Welsh speakers based on a canon where no-one, to my recollection, has ever uttered a word of the language, not because it’d be in character for that person to speak in Welsh at that moment but because it’s exotic and romantic and mysterious (I do have a deep love for the fic where Ianto, asked to say something in Welsh, says “my hovercraft is full of eels”). Also, in fics where it does come up, Jack not understanding a word of Welsh despite having lived in Wales for fives times as long as Ianto or Gwen have been alive.
(v) People trying to American-pick Jack’s dialogue even after it’s been pointed out to them that he’s not, in fact, American, and has some un-American-sounding dialogue in canon.
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on 2009-02-10 11:45 pm (UTC)a) she's a woman
b) she's replacing The Original Team
c) she's frowny/sulky and the fen think "Aha! She thinks she's too cool for school but she's NOT"
d) she's bisexual, and the fen think her queerness iz pastede on yey as another Shortcut To Cool
e) did I mention she's a woman?
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on 2009-02-10 11:50 pm (UTC)so true. but at least
on 2009-02-11 12:18 am (UTC)Re: so true. but at least
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on 2009-02-10 10:41 pm (UTC)MWAHAHAHAHAHA, told you he was awesome.
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on 2009-02-10 11:40 pm (UTC)Hello!
HP fandom, luckily, was big enough that even in the days of the Inner Circle, and even if you just stayed in slash-friendly areas, you could come across plenty of discussions that didn't have Draco and/or Snape taking them over.
(...could.)
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on 2009-02-10 11:54 pm (UTC)YES, YES, THIS. EXACTLY.
Though I don't hang out in "House" fandom (or really watch "House" much anymore), this exact kind of thing in "Heroes" fandom really harshes my squee. It is ALL about Sylar, always. Now, I like Sylar as a character; I like his storylines. I like his dialogue. And I think Zachary Quinto, who plays him, is the cutest thing that ever cuted. But I would really...really...love to have a discussion about the show in which his name doesn't come up. And more than anything else in the world, I just want to read some fic that doesn't prominently feature him. Go on
I really want to have a day without Sylar. Just one.
...er, sorry. You just managed to hit my biggest peeve.
Is RayK awesome? I'd wondered. I haven't let go of RayV yet (but I'm new to the fandom).
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on 2009-02-11 12:00 am (UTC)What I've seen of RayK so far is pretty awesome, although the accent puzzles me (I'm a Brit so possibly I'm wrong but he sounds really really Canadian to me, more so than Fraser, and I don't think he's supposed to be.)
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on 2009-02-11 12:54 am (UTC)I could make a comm...but I was thinking maybe an "Anyone But Sylar" fic-a-thon, with a summary like, "Sylar is awesome, but a lot of the time, it can feel like other characters are overlooked. So let's maybe explore them for a change, no?"
(BTW, I rec "Heroes" if you ever get a chance. It's really awesome.)
No, you're right. Callum Keith Rennie, who plays RayK, is Canadian in real life. (I know this only because my friend who got me into the show loves him unreservedly and started watching "BSG" just to get a fresh fix of CKR.) I think he's just really bad at hiding the accent.
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on 2009-02-11 12:58 am (UTC)And as regards iii of your Who peeves: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. Donna would not have been better off dead, and the Doctor is not an EVIL MIND-RAPIST for ignoring her panicked pleas and making sure that she lived.
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on 2009-02-11 01:24 am (UTC)I don't watch House, but this sentence quite accurately describes why - while I love the Tenchi Muyo multiverse with all my heart - dealing with TM fandom itself makes me want to put a gun to my head. AAARRRGH. (I really need to do a "Reasons Why TM Fandom Can Just Go Fuck Itself" rant one of these days...)
Re: Donna. Even though I HATE HATE HATE the mindwiping with the burning passion of one thousand suns... I agree with you. Slight evasion of consent is miles better than aided suicide, kthxbai.
And yeah, the DoctorDonna concept only worked because it wasn't dwelled on. Ten minutes of it? Brilliant? A whole season of it? Er... no.
Still like the idea of Donna going Time Lady though. But only if it was more Donna: Lady of Time and not Donna: Possessed by Ten.no subject
on 2009-02-11 05:46 am (UTC)I suppose this is an extension of a debate that's been particularly bad in the US for the past eight years, but... there is no way I can ever support or not be repelled by someone taking away someone else's right to make basic choices about their life in the name of "their own good."
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on 2009-02-11 08:25 am (UTC)Also, I agree about the Donna thing, too. I can concede that his manner of doing it was abrupt, but shrugging it off and going "your choice" is just...not gonna happen, nor should it, not to mention it's loading a lot of credit onto her manic outburst to defend her choice -- not that I'm dismissing that she should have a choice, but that explosive freakout was not a person who was in their right mind. ...further, she didn't want to die rather than go back, she wanted to somehow stay living as she was, so imposing the recourse of death on her is something I see as being as cruel as others see the Doctor's action as being. Last, it didn't feel like Donna to me either. I couldn't help being a little happy for the little part of Donna that it was that she got to feel so awesome, but that was a whole new being and I felt like I'd lost her long before the Doctor did anything.
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on 2009-02-11 09:43 am (UTC)(I do have a deep love for the fic where Ianto, asked to say something in Welsh, says “my hovercraft is full of eels”).
I really, really, really want to read that. Linkplz?
I may as well de-anon myself
on 2009-02-11 05:06 pm (UTC)And so much yes to that tinfoil hat thing. By far the biggest problem in Who fandom atm.
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on 2009-02-24 02:10 am (UTC)Insisting on doing ‘favours’ for Penny not because it’s a nice thing to do but because she might have sex with him (and, naturally, being petulant when she doesn’t); getting her on a date under false pretences rather than asking her outright, then denying it and making her feel stupid when she asks if that’s what he’s doing
Totally. I know this one all too well, and it is absolutely disgusting that guys will perceive, and portray, themselves as 'nice' to all and sundry, but in reality it's only to get the target into bed. And then when she tells them that she's not interested (as is any person's right), they either deny it and make her out to be a liar, or get hugely pissed off and she's suddenly the ultimate bitch. It's crazy. Like you, I could not initially like Leonard at all because of this, and found it hard to accept that he was even meant to be remotely likeable. I was glad to see that, many episodes later, things had 'calmed down'. On the whole, the show is pretty cool, but it was really not a good idea on the part of the scriptwriters to initially depict a supposedly sympathetic character in this way...Loving Sheldon, though!
Anyway, apologies for hijacking your comments - but it's good to see someone else in agreement with my views on The Big Bang Theory! :)
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on 2009-02-24 10:00 am (UTC)Big Bang Theory still slips up from time to time - there's a scene with Leonard and Howard whinging about how women exploit smart/nice guys, with a litany of all the times they did some girl's homework in high school and she, amazingly, didn't put out (it doesn't seem to occur to either of them that rather than being a bitch, maybe the girls thought they were being sincere in trying to make friends with her) - but there seems to be an awareness of Nice Guy-ness creeping in. In that same scene they're instantly proved wrong, when the 15-year-old prodigy they were certain wouldn't have a chance with girls (since they're all evil bitches, ntahc) pulls the hottest girl in the place.
I love the xkcd comic on this (http://xkcd.com/513/).
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on 2009-02-24 05:45 pm (UTC)Ugh, I missed that one - thankfully! I'd probably have been shouting at the screen otherwise :D But it's a horrible situation, and it's always good to read other girls' opinions on this - so thanks! :)
In regards to that bit from The Big Bang Theory: so what if a bloke is nice to a girl? She shouldn't have to reciprocate. Love/relationships shouldn't be about control or manipulation - the idea that 'favours' should be repaid - it's all about caring for the other person more than yourself and actually showing them some respect. I'm pretty sure that if a guy was not attracted to a particular woman who was showing a high level of interest and belief that they should be together, he'd be the first to declare that she's a psycho and castigate her.
I seriously believe that these 'nice' guys have the wrong definition of what 'niceness' actually is.
Oh, and that xkcd comic is spot on! Some friends emailed it to me recently and it really does sum up every bloke like that. If only it weren't so true!
(by the way I've friended you, hope that's alright!)
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on 2009-03-03 09:16 pm (UTC)