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[doyle]

If these are right... Wesley, Lindsey and Gunn die. Harmony turns evil. Connor and Lorne just leave (Lorne's the one who kills Lindsey). Angel, Spike and Illyria are the only three left standing, facing off to a dragon in another dimension... (*damn* connorbeast and me called it! We said the finale would end with them against a dragon!) No shanshu, and it ends on a cliffhanger.

the whole thing at spoilerslayer

I'm kind of dazed right now.


I even private-locked this first to check nothing went screwy with the cut...

ETA: if you're on BAPS and don't want to be spoiled do not go to the group's main page on yahoo. A couple of the summaries for the most current messages give away big spoilers in the first lines.

Comments

[amberwaves2.livejournal.com]

I really hope these aren't true. I really, really do. They're really, really lame. Yeah, it's a typical Joss ending -- but typical Joss endings aren't always the best endings, are they? Grr, argh.

If Harmony does turn evil, I guess putting her in the credits was a total fakeout just to make her evil after. Or something. I don't know.

But Wesley! But Gunn! But Lindsey! Three of the characters I still care about, and they're all gonna die?

Fuck you, Joss. Fuck you up the ass with a rake.

Well, I'm not really shocked or anything. I just wish Joss had a leetle bit more respect for uh, people. Or something. I dunno. I really don't know what to say other than to roll my eyes and go live in denial land.

::goes to live in denial land, where BtVS went into an AU after "Grave" and AtS went into an AU after "Home"::

[http://users.livejournal.com/wisteria_/]

Okay, two things about Harmony (and I'm not targeting you -- I'm just abusing your comment to reply to stuff I've seen all over LJ in the past hour or so *g*):

1. She hasn't "turned" evil. She's always been evil. Yes, she's been working with W&H all season, but she even said in "Conviction" (or one of the other early eps) that it was only because she figured it was easier to work with them than to become their target. Plus, the money was helpful. :)

2. From most accounts I've read, the inclusion of Mercedes McNab in the credits was personal, not plot arc-based. She's been involved in the Jossverse since *before* the beginning -- hell, she was even in the unaired BTVS pilot. Someone said that inclusion in the credits means something tangible for the actor's resume, and perhaps with regards to the Screen Actors Guild, so I'll bet that Joss changed the credits as a final thank-you to her -- which she certainly deserves. :)

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

:sad sniff: You're right, I know, my Harmony love just blinds me...

[writingpathways.livejournal.com]

The Harmony spoiler is the only one that makes sense to me. She's a sheep, all season she's been following Angel and the gang. Now Hamilton.

Harmony follows whoever will make her feel the best about herself. Cordette, Cordelia in Disharmony, then the Vampire Cult, then W & H/Angel.

Evil Little Vampire Sheep.

Only spoiler that didn't have me cringing.

[amberwaves2.livejournal.com]

Oh, go ahead and abuse my comment! It'll be fun! ::g::

Actually, I agree fully with those two points. However, I what I was trying to say in relation to the second one that while putting her in the creidts is a thank you to MM, it's also... eh, nevermind. I can't win my case. ;)

And also, I know you're not targeting *me*, but I got the phrase "turned evil" from the spoilerslayer site, just if you didn't already know. ;)

And for one final point, I've watched a grand total of 1 1/2 episodes this season, so I think I'll let the people with more S5 street cred handle this one -- my non-Harmony based comments were basically just my reaction to the finale spoilers. Uh, I should say they *are* my reaction to the spoilers. God, I'm really inarticulate today. I need some coffee.

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Oh, I said 'turned evil' as well *g*

[amberwaves2.livejournal.com]

Hee, it's all your fault. I just reread the spoilers, and if I didn't miss some, it doesn't mentioning Harm turning evil at all. It mentions her turning *against* the gang, but not *evil*. ::headdesk::

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Yep! And of course she was evil all along, but I was posting very fast and my typing fingers got away from me *g*

[amberwaves2.livejournal.com]

Eh, it's a reactionary thing. Your brain is kind of on autopilot. It's no big. ;)

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

It depresses me because I went through this exact same thing with Knox. Except I adored Knox on sight whereas Harmony irritated the hell out of me till this season, when I started to like her a lot. Figures she'd be the Judas... (and I still want to know why Lorne kills Lindsey)

[amberwaves2.livejournal.com]

I also want to know why Lorne kills Lindsey! My poor countryman needshishaircut guy. Waah.

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Someone on BAPS suggested that Lorne reads something in Lindsey that he really doesn't like (the only thing I can think of is a hand in Fred's death, though I don't know how he could have had since he was in hell-burbia, or that Lindsey's going to betray them)