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[doyle]

I never posted my thoughts on Fear Her here, so:

(Oh, actually, pre-cut tag, a non-spoilery spec on the finale. There seems to be a popular theory going around on OG that it will be revealed in the finale that the Doctor is Rose's father. Call me a skeptic but if this turns out to be true, I will eat my house. And all the hats within the house. And my own head.

RTD already turned down that plotline in season 1, for one thing...)

By the way, post and comments have reference to That Spoiler that we all assume everybody knows by now. (And if you don't: turn the internets off now, because it's a minor miracle you made it this far, you won't last till air-time.)


I actually liked this one a lot. I didn't expect to based on the first few minutes, because the scripting and acting were both pretty bad and the music was back to plinky twee nonsense (I could understand this if certain bits of Murray Gold's score - like all of The Satan Pit - weren't so bloody good). But once it got going, with the creepy dad-drawing, and Rose being smart and proactive and useful, and the Doctor eating people's marmalade with his fingers and getting that forlorn "am I not meant to?" look when glared at - yeah, liked this one. The marvellous Nina Sosanya (Jenny! Bellino!) was the cherry silver ball-bearings on top.

Aw, I thought Rose was lovely in this one, actually. And "who's gonna hold his hand now?" - 'his', not 'my'. YES. Thank you. After "but what about meeee?" as Mickey left, I really needed that.

Oh, and "I was a dad once..."

First: yay, after the allusions last year, actual mention of his family! And I have to wonder why they brought that up. Or is it destined never to be mentioned again?
Two: no, it probably isn't a reference to Miranda from the Eighth Doctor books. Not without a huge amount of fanwanking and blatantly ignoring stuff said onscreen. Much as I adore her, and much as the canonicity of the books and the audios are open for debate, Father Time is among the illustrious ranks of Books Comprehensively Jossed This Year. Twice, actually: "I've never had a house" and "never really thought about money, how d'you get money?" don't really jibe with him living in a house and working as a business consultant for the eight years he was raising his daughter.

But people should read Father Time anyway, because I don't care it's fanficcy "the Doctor with a daughter", I love it far too much. Err. The fact that Miranda's first love is a boy who grows up to be her megalomaniacal - and goatee'd, I think? - arch-nemesis is entirely coincidental to my love and I'm sure any parallels to the Doctor and the Master were unintended by the author. *whistles*

Next week looks amazing. Saturday yet?

Comments

[tencrush]

YAY! Fear Her luv!! I rly liked this one as well.

But I'm actually just jumping in to say that I will eat your hats for you. And then my hats as well. And such. (And she's not Susan's mother either FFS! *h8s on pointlessness of OG sometimes*)

As you were.

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

I do occasionally worry that the only reason for mentioning the Doctor's fatherhood is to establish his fertility so Rose can turn up next year with the new Last of the Time Lords (cue the EastEnders drumbeats). But I really don't ever expect Piper back.

[tencrush]

That's not happening either.
*hopes so, anyway*
She's not coming back. Thay're not going to have nor have they ever had any sex. She's not pregnant. It's all rubbish.
(I still shout "look out for the baby TARDIS" every once in a while though, but no one believes me, but that's entirely unrelated spec)

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

People are so bizarrely convinced she's coming back and she's not even gone yet.

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Maybe she'd be willing to come back if the movie/other TV career tanked? But even then, I'm not sure how they could write her in unless in a role similar to Sarah in School Reunion.

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

"The Search For Rose!

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

She'll come back as a paving slab.

[owl]

the Doctor eating people's marmalade with his fingers and getting that forlorn "am I not meant to?" look when glared at

Yah, that was hilarious. I do so love Ten.

Aw, I thought Rose was lovely in this one, actually. And "who's gonna hold his hand now?" - 'his', not 'my'. YES. Thank you

WHYYYY are they making my love Rose so much now????

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

That was easily the best she's been all season. Where were you when she was being horrible to Mickey, Life-no-Mars-writer-guy?

[gwynnega]

::nods:: THAT was the Rose I loved in season one. It was nice to see her again!

[violetisblue.livejournal.com]

I don't think he's her father, but oh, if they said he were, the whirl of madness in the 'shipper communities in response... *longing reverie*

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

I can't even imagine the level of fandom implosion. Dude.

[gwynnega]

There seems to be a popular theory going around on OG that it will be revealed in the finale that the Doctor is Rose's father.

I will eat my car if that turns out to be true. Besides, then there would be a ton of people chorusing: "Ewwww, she kissed her father!"

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

It'd be like Luke and Leia, only much, much worse... though I will personally line up to be the first to write Rose/AU!Pete in that case because, hey, means he's not her real dad...

[cosmic.livejournal.com]

Which makes me think (as I, too, am on the bad crack): would RTD actually do it, just for that? Because everybody and their creepy uncle were scarred by the Leia/Luke thing when that was revealed to be what it was, and would he like to be the guy who screws over shippers and gives us the defining squick of a generation?

<-- so paranoid

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

*g* I am trying to rationalise it as: well, how could he be her dad? Did he pop back to the 80s, shag Jackie, and neither of them remembered? Shouldn't she had two hearts or mega-intelligence or at least be not completely human in some way?

[cosmic.livejournal.com]

Oh, you know how it is. Every once in a while when timetraveling, you lose your memory and/or consume massive quantaties of drugs and/or are at a costume party, and have anonymous sex that eventually ends in accidental incest. Doesn't that happen to everybody now and then?

[alixtii.livejournal.com]

though I will personally line up to be the first to write Rose/AU!Pete in that case because, hey, means he's not her real dad...

Unless Pete is Eleven?

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

....dammit! I think you've found the plausibility loophole for how he could be her dad. (Plus that would make a great crackfic.)

[cosmic.livejournal.com]

There seems to be a popular theory going around on OG that it will be revealed in the finale that the Doctor is Rose's father

OMG that is Teh Crazy. And Teh Gross. I'd go as far as to even buy him as Jack's biological father, because at least that would make some sort of fucked up RTD-things-as-one-canon sense, but...good grief. Just. Say no to the bad crack, crack-theorists.

...or, I could have just said: I'll eat all my hats, too.

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

*cries at the difficulty this would pose for Ten/Jack*

[cosmic.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, baby. I didn't mean it for realz! Ten/Jack in the unsquicky porny twu vuw way 4evah!

[sadbhyl.livejournal.com]

We were worried when you didn't post! Usually you're the first one out of the gate.

I agree with you totally about this episode. I really enjoyed it, not the least for Rose's strong showing. But I've noticed that she does really well, is strong and confident and able to take charge, when the Doctor's not around. Ten is less a mentor to her and more of a mate, and we've seen how Rose is with her mates. I think she's learned all she can from him and it's time for her to move on. Ten needs an older companion, someone to keep him in line and be his conscience.

Hmm, Sarah Jane seems to fit that bill... ;)

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

YAY!

If I wish really hard... spinoff? Tyler, Smith and Dog?

[kijikun.livejournal.com]

*pretends she doesn't see any spoliers*

I would like to state for the record when I started write An Earthly Child or any of my Rachel stories, I had no clue Miranda existed. No, really. I didn't. And now I have to avoid any and all books about her until I finish my (err i forget what a set of four would be) stories.

If it turns out to be true

[jonquil.livejournal.com]

... I will eat RTD's liver. Or at least yell a lot.

I love dragees, and they're illegal in California. Woes.

I really loved "who's gonna hold his hand now", too. I think the point of "I was a dad" is to further wedge Rose away from the Doctor -- she knows almost nothing of his internal life, and he prefers it that way.

[kseda.livejournal.com]

I have nothing to add, just wanted to show off my crappy icon. Yay marmalade!

[drakyndra.livejournal.com]

If that is true, than I will join you in eating all my hats. Which would be a tragedy, as I have just bought to shint new lovely hats.

But seriously, what carck are these people on?

[-snakeface.livejournal.com]

He obviously forgot patches of being on Earth as the amnesia was ferocious and kept attacking his brain.

Father Time is indeed the shit.

[shebit.livejournal.com]

I am unspoiled. Impressive, huh? Well, I've had enough almost spoilers that I've drawn some conclusions, but my housemate told me last night - she is spoiled - that my conclusions were almost certainly wrong, and I'm willing to believe that I've put two and two together to make eighteen.

I even did the cliched closing eyes, fingers in ears, lalala-ing during the spoilery trailer at the end of Fear Her. Unfortunately, between las I heard the words 'cybermen' and 'the last story I'll ever tell'. Bloody having to breathe.

[raskazzptitsa.livejournal.com]

Oh, and "I was a dad once..."

Dumb question, but wasn't the First Doctor on the run with his granddaughter? I took that to be what the dad ref was about, but I get so confuzzed on these things.

[bluekiwibubble.livejournal.com]

Oh, and "I was a dad once..."

Dumb question, but wasn't the First Doctor on the run with his granddaughter? I took that to be what the dad ref was about, but I get so confuzzed on these things.
Me too! I mean, that's what I thought. I've never seen any 1st doc stuff, but i'm sure it was his granddaughter. I just wanna know who her mum/dad [Doctor's kid] was...

And I've never heard of a) Father Time [but am definately going to search it out now] or b) that the Doctor is Rose's father. Gnargh. That would be...mainstreaming incest. Urgh, not good. I'll join in with the hats *waves hat*