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doyleI don't want to stir up the kerfuffle, but in the interests of full disclosure and for anyone who wants to read it, here's the infamous Hole in the World commentary remark, now properly transcribed and in context.
JW: The boys were very comfortable about holding hands. There was no talk about how that was weird.
(Amy giggles and continues to do so throughout the dialogue)
AA: We were wondering, in the later episode when James tells me when we see Drogyn again, um, when he's like "well, there was that one time" when he's talking about being gay (laughs) with Angel, he was wondering if it was this moment, since you wrote both lines or if it was referencing another point in time?
JW: Y'know, um, I just wanna say, Angel and Spike; they were hanging out for years and years and years, they were in... y'know, all kinds of deviant, they were vampires, are we thinking they never? Come on, people, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, y'know, they're open-minded guys! They may be evil but they're not bigoted or close-minded. The hand-holding was a deliberate kind of over the top "look how together they are" and, yes, inevitably it causes some people to think... but it was mostly about the wire gag. But also...
AD: Which came as a great surprise to me. Great device. [end of scene, long silence before they start talking about Knox. They didn't know what the hell to do with him, which doesn't come as a great surprise to me, embittered Woodward fan that I am]
And an added bonus for the Spangel shippers. The cavemen vs. astronauts scene, as Angel yells "it's not about what I want"; Joss says that he thinks DB has never been funnier than when delivering that line, and:
JW: I have never seen a more intense or beautiful romance.
AD: They are hilarious.
JW: We finally found, y'know, the right girl for Angel... I'm sort of kidding.
Personally? I think all of this can be interpreted several ways and can be taken as Joss joking, Joss being mostly serious, whatever people want.
JW: The boys were very comfortable about holding hands. There was no talk about how that was weird.
(Amy giggles and continues to do so throughout the dialogue)
AA: We were wondering, in the later episode when James tells me when we see Drogyn again, um, when he's like "well, there was that one time" when he's talking about being gay (laughs) with Angel, he was wondering if it was this moment, since you wrote both lines or if it was referencing another point in time?
JW: Y'know, um, I just wanna say, Angel and Spike; they were hanging out for years and years and years, they were in... y'know, all kinds of deviant, they were vampires, are we thinking they never? Come on, people, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, y'know, they're open-minded guys! They may be evil but they're not bigoted or close-minded. The hand-holding was a deliberate kind of over the top "look how together they are" and, yes, inevitably it causes some people to think... but it was mostly about the wire gag. But also...
AD: Which came as a great surprise to me. Great device. [end of scene, long silence before they start talking about Knox. They didn't know what the hell to do with him, which doesn't come as a great surprise to me, embittered Woodward fan that I am]
And an added bonus for the Spangel shippers. The cavemen vs. astronauts scene, as Angel yells "it's not about what I want"; Joss says that he thinks DB has never been funnier than when delivering that line, and:
JW: I have never seen a more intense or beautiful romance.
AD: They are hilarious.
JW: We finally found, y'know, the right girl for Angel... I'm sort of kidding.
Personally? I think all of this can be interpreted several ways and can be taken as Joss joking, Joss being mostly serious, whatever people want.
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Still Spangel
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on 2005-02-19 02:05 pm (UTC)I think that Spangel is very much canon. Spike, Dru, Darla, and Angel were all together for 10 years. I'm sure that some serious "deviant" sexual behavior took place there. Now, to the extent in which it is written about in fanfic? No. But, fanfic takes things to the extreme, so I can buy it.
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on 2005-02-19 04:58 pm (UTC)*taps fingers impatiently for tax refund so can buy*
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on 2005-02-19 05:26 pm (UTC)Hee! Must watch that commentary today...
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on 2005-02-19 05:51 pm (UTC)Life is hard, I tell you.
Julia, not being independently wealthy sucks
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