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[doyle]

I'm writing the Angel/Nina essay for ship_manifesto (squee!) and I'm desperately in need of fic for them. Anybody written or seen any? It doesn't have to be the focus of the fic.

So far I've got A Day in the Life of Puppet Angel and a drabble from Buffyverse1000 which I've happily read approx. 10,000 times. anniesj, I know you wrote one for me at tigannie_con but I can't remember which thread and whether it was locked...

*plots meta stuff about Angel/Nina as Giles/Olivia and the potential for darkfic and why the not-even-close-to-soulmates-or-true-love relationships are so damn appealing*

Comments

[avrelia.livejournal.com]

I don’t believe in soulmates. Some people do. Some people meet their soulmates. I know enough of real-life stories about people who met one day and never parted to justify a soulmates theory. I most certainly don’t want to imply anything about any person who believes in existence of his or her soulmate somewhere.
I was talking more about fictional characters and soulmates on screen and in fanfiction (or literature) as the easy way out, and I would say I dislike the perpetuating of an idea of soulmates as the only real love, and waiting for the soulmate no matter what. Again, absolutely nothing personal!

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Another example, actually the one I was thinking of when I was initially making the post: I love Angel/Cordelia. It was my first Angel 'ship and even though there were definite moments (episodes...) of trainwreck, I still think it had potential.

But kyerumption. Dear lord, kyerumption. Never have I facepalmed so much. It just seemed like so much of a short cut. "Hmm, they need to go from best friends to potential lovers. Let's see, this could happen organically from their characters and existing relationship or we could make up a word and have Fred and Lorne lecture them on how Meant to Be they are."

Again, my opinion, everyone else's minds may vary...

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

I need to go bury my hand in the sand *right now*.

I know my first comment came across as a personal attack. I never intended that AT ALL. I've come across similar comments as yours and doyle_sb4 (although much more harsh toward soulmate believers) and it got me thinking.

I swear, I am not normally this bitchy or rude. I'm just so sorry for the rude tone of my first comment.

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

:hugs: I'm just worried I've scared away all my B/A people. It's no big secret I'm more for B/S than B/A and far more for A/S (or A/B/S) than either, but I loved the pairing on the show, love writing it. I'm too much of a pairings whore to be anti-anything. Well, anything Jossverse *looks towards Clark/Lana with narrowed eyes*

I've definitely lost the Syd/Vaughn shippers *g*

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

You haven't scared me away, even though you probably wish I would go. *g*

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

*attaches self to your legs*

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

When is your essay on Angel/Nina due? Even though I don't ship that particular couple (witness the icon), I am very interested in your thoughts on the couple.

So.... I take it there won't be any discussion about Angel and Nina being soulmates? *winks*

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Heee. It's due on the 23rd (meep, need to get writing, but as least I'm free this weekend).

Ironically, the only fic I've written with major A/N was heavily B/A.

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

Ooh, where is it? Is it on your site? I don't know if I've read it....

*runs off to look for it*

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Self pimping like a ho... (http://www.livejournal.com/users/doyle_sb4/250722.html)

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

OH HELL YEAH!! Dude, I remember this one - for the buffyverse1000, right??

Oh man, I *loved* this ficlet. It made me like Nina, and I don't like her character. I pimped this thing at my LJ and on my board like nobody's business.

I think my reaction was: THUD! (that was my jaw hitting the floor)

It was just so raw. And the kicker? You established such a powerful tone in very few words. I. loved. it.

[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

Wow, thank you! :) It was the first thing in ages I felt genuinely enthused about writing, so I'm really glad you liked it.

[avrelia.livejournal.com]

No need to bury anything anywhere. ::cuddles you::

It actually was interesting for me to talk about soulmates in life and in fiction, and I absolutely didn’t perceive you as bitchy or rude.

And, hey, this discussion got me thinking, too! So it’s all well!

[southernbangel.livejournal.com]

I have one friend who is probably the most anti-soulmate person I've ever encountered. I enjoy these discussions with her because we don't allow each other to fall back on the "because that's just how it is" argument. Granted, when I whip out B/A, she laughs her ass of at me. *bg*

I've really enjoyed reading y'all's thoughts. I don't go for the sappy, "ooh, I've found my soulmate and now my life is perfect. We'll never be apart and we'll never have any problems." Ugh, no. I think that's one reason I love B/A so much - yes, I think they're soulmates, but dude, have they had an easy time? Hell no. Has it been a bed of roses for them? That'd be a big no. *If* there is any kind of a AtS/BtVS future and *if* B/A are reunited, I want it to be as real and as messy as possible.

::hugs you::